Wednesday 2025.03.12
I had decided, against many inner feelings about leaving our home, to go to the Bangkok IETF. So I started packing. United wanted me to check in for the flight, which I did. But I could not seem to coax boarding passes out of the bleeping app.
Thursday 2025.03.13
I woke at 05:30, dressed, and finished packing. I had breakfast and double checked my travel checklist. At 07:40, I summoned an Uber as it was $20 cheaper than a Lyft. It arrived at 08:07, and we were at the airport by 08:30, traffic being non-existent for some reason. TSA was a bit crowded, but not too bad. Navigating the new terminal was a bit messy as it was still under construction, so there was a quite long walk to United gates. I was in the lounge by 08:45, an hour before boarding.
I went down to the gate and boarded at 09:40. Being Global meant I could get my carry-on in the overhead, otherwise no chance. I got out my laptop and realized I had removed my YubiKey in the Lounge and left it there. This might cause significant pain. To add insult to injury, neither of the small GaN wall warts I had in my bag to charge the laptop were sufficient, and I suspected I was not going o find USB-C power on the Pacific segments.
United 5463 was an Embraer CRJ175 in spiffy shape. We pushed back at 10:05 exactly on time. I slept the whole way to San Francisco. We landed at 11:45, and were at the gate exactly on time at 11:55. Things were under construction, so there was a sort of long corridor into the F gates. My flight was boarding when I got there so I walked right on, and was in my seat by 12:15.
United flight 869 to Hong Kong was a DreamLiner 767 in very clean shape. I think it was pretty full. We pushed back at one o’clock, exactly on time. The flight WiFi was not working, which put a serious dent in my plans. I tried to stay awake and watched the number of junky movies
Mid-flight, I wanted to deal with email etc. I could associate with the WiFi, but the captive portal did not work on phone or laptop. It seemed others complained, so they reset the entire infotainment system to no useful avail.

Saturday 2025.03.14
We landed in Hong Kong on time at about 19:20. It was the usual long walk to passport control and security. I almost had a crying jag when I realized I wasn’t going to buy a present for Zita from Hong Kong. I took the train over to the 200 gates to get to the Hong Kong Airlines lounge, arriving about 1945. The food had gotten crappier in the year since I had been there. I had some noodles and made the mistake of trying a ham and cheese sandwich. At 21:40 I headed out for the long walk to the gate. Boarding was scheduled for 21:55 and actually started at 22:10. I texted Katen that all was OK.
Hong Kong Air flight 779 to Bangkok was an AirBus 330 in red and gray and quite spiffy. We pushed back at 22:50, which woke me for a moment. I went back to sleep.
We landed at 00:30 and taxied for 10 minutes. There was a long walk to the APEC line, but it was a zip through when I got there. I picked up a TRUE eSIM in baggage claim and summoned a Grab. I was in the grab by 01:25 and arrived at the hotel by 01:55. I had to queue the register at two in the morning.
I managed to get to sleep by about 02:45. The damned air conditioning was way to strong. I tried to turn it up to 25c, but that did not help. I finally shut it off and managed to get sleep.
I woke at 07:45, showered and dressed, and went down to join Christine for breakfast. She had to rush off to see important people and things. In a novel attempt to deal with jet lag, I had only one cup of coffee. I went back to my room, cleaned up the basic email flood, and then went down to the Code Sprint to meet with Russ Housley. IEEE had filed a “Do not do L3DL,” which we would have to decide if it is serious. As I was not coding, I left the Code Sprint and tried to find a place to sit. The Terminal Room had been renamed Shared Workspace, but did not exist on Saturday. And the WiFi failed in the 7th floor lobby; so I went back to my room to work and finally cleared the email backlog.
Russ emailed me that there was a lot of extra food in the Code Sprint area and to come down; so I did, We talked L3DL some more. But I was unable to find Paul Congdon’s amazingly complex LLDP service discovery picture which I really needed to make the point. I took a nap from 14:30 to four o’clock.
At 18:00 i accepted Christine Runnegar’s invitation to walk across the back park to the enormous gl!tzich Gourmet Food Court.

It was interesting to walk through an enormous bright and flashy emporium following a picky vegetarian trying to find an acceptable dinner. We all have styles of how we survey and select. She eventually chose Indian, and I had an OK mutton masala plate with nan. We finished by 19:30 and walked back to the hotel and headed to our rooms to crash. I was asleep by eight, expecting trouble sleeping as it was the second night.
Sunday 2025.03.16
I slept exceedingly poorly. Second night. I gave up at 06:30, dressed, and went down for breakfast where I ran into Christine. I ate excessively, not sure why, but mostly healthily, scrambled eggs, siew mae, and a decent bread. And I had a second cup of coffee. I worked in my room for a bit and then went to the IEPG meeting which was only mildly interesting, the best being Geoff Huston’s talk on ECN adoption. At noon, I went back to my room and napped until two o’clock.
I hung out in the Shared Workspace, née Terminal Room. Adrian Farrel came and chatted about L3DL. Some folk were setting up a demo as they had actually implemented 8+8 20 years ater. It five, I went to the IESG area and had a meeting on RPKI-Rtr and L3DL with Russ, John Scudder, Warren Kumari, and Med Boucadair to bring the latter up to speed as the new Ops AD replacing Warren. Then I wandered to the reception, grazed a pretty good field of Thai food, chatted lightly with a few people, etc. At seven o’clock I was overloaded and went back to my room and worked a bit.
Monday 2025.03.17
I slept from nine o’clock to 01:30, and then small snatches until 06:30 when I gave up. Christine texted to go to breakfast, so I showered and went down. Being an Ozzie, she sat outside where it is 29c and 200% humidity. I had scrambled eggs, siew mae, and toast. We were joined by Ole Jacobsen, and he and I talked for a long time after Christine headed off to be a diligent worker. At 08:30, I went back to my room, cleaned up email, and did some hacking on the 8210bis RPKI-Rtr Protocol draft.
At 09:00 I went down to the Security Dispatch meeting and spent the time starting a presentation for Thursday’s LSVR meeting. It ended early, so I went to the Terminal Room and sat with Pensri and Patama. Then John Scudder grabbed me for lunch in the in-hotel Thai place to discuss the 8210bis issues and sidrops in general.
After lunch I went to the start of the OpsAreaWG meeting as Oliver Gasser’s Prefix Length draft of which I was co-author, was first up. It went well, almost ready for WGLC. I then went to the IDR WG which did not really interest me, so i went over to CFRG which did. And then I slacked with Rob, who had stayed home but was dealing with meeting NOC chaos remotely. The break had mango with sticky rice in which I seriously overindulged.
I went into DNSOPS to avoid GROW. I realized that I was burning out and just went up to my room. I napped from 16:30 to 20:00, worked a bit, and went back to sleep without dinner.
Tuesday 2025.03.18
I woke at five o’clock, having finally caught up on sleep. I texted with Katen and cleaned up email until breakfast opened at six. I was just finished when Christine came down. So I went outside to keep her company. At 07:30, I went back up to my room with an Americano to go.
At 08:30, Ketan asked to meet; so I went back down to the restaurant and we talked for much of an hour. Essentially he was the new Routing AD and was worried about L3DL/LSVR and then fished for getting clearer vision for IDR. At 09:30 I grabbed my laptop and went to the NASR BoF, which was a nuts SION culture joke. The BoF actually decided not to go forward, yay!
At 11:30, John Scudder, Job Snijders, Ben Macdison, and I met in the lobby and came to a compromise agreement on the 8210bis draft issues. Then was the SIDROPS WG meeting, which was pretty much filled with nothing consequential. I then went to SUIT, Software Updates for Internet of Things, which i had tracked because it is a technically interesting problem. What was even more interesting was that the room was exactly 50% women attendees, and two of the three chairs were women. I would love to understand why.
I then went up to my room, napped for an hour, showered and re-dressed, and went down to meet Derek, Mahesh and wife, Ebisawa, and Keyur to walk a km or so to an Arrcus dinner. The restaurant, Baan Kanitha, was mediocre Thai tourist food. The hotel Thai restaurant was better for Monday lunch. After the walk back, I had to take another shower. I worked a bit and was in bed by 21:30.
Wednesday 2025.03.19
I woke at 05:00, dressed, and worked until breakfast at 06:15. Katen texted pictures the architect had sent of the Paris apartment; it looked really good. On the way back from breakfast, I stopped at the front desk to ask for a tech to come fix the air-con which was always on. He appeared ten minutes later and spent 20 minutes working on it successfully. A significant life improvement.
For the morning session, I went to the SKEX, symmetric Key Establishment and Exchange, BoF, which was a bit brutal a la NASR. Then I got dragged into another Acee/Keyur drama when Acee pushed an LLDP discovery draft for adoption in IDR. I took a nap instead of lunch, and then went to PRIVACYPASS, which was proceeding along in its quiet way with some interesting use cases.
At three, I had a meeting with Russ and Keyur to explain to Russ why L3DL did wonderful things LLDP could never do. Then I hung out with Bill Fenner talking about how we were feeling about and dealing with the death of our partners/wives. Not well; though maybe as well as one reasonably can. Then we grabbed snack food and went to the Plenary. The big deal was about the inappropriateness of the scheduled San Francisco meeting. Afterward, Karen O’Donoghue and I walked over to the big food court and had wonton and noodles. I was back and in bed by ten o’clock.
Thursday 2025.03.20
I woke at 06:30, dressed, and went to breakfast. I had an eight o’clock meeting with Ketan to discuss how to finish L3DL. My impression was that he was a bit over his head as a new AD. Before the first session I ran into Erik Klein, who was heavy into satellite and space delay tolerant and SDN control networking; fun stuff. I tried to watch IRTF ANRP talks, but I had already read the papers. At 10:15, I had a small meeting with the new Ops AD, Med, to discuss SIDROPS dysfunction. Unlike Ketan, he seemed very clueful, had a plan, and would execute. It turned out he is Berber from Maroc; so we gossiped a bunch about Marseilles, Latif, … I then went up to the RTGAREA meeting to see some silliness and some satellite routing.
For lunch I went to hear the Host Talk by Kireeti Kompella who tried to merge ECMP and TE. I ran into Pensri, Padama, and Nan and we gossiped for a bit. Then I met with Alexander and Rüdiger to try and resolve Rüdiger’s issues with the ASPA Validation draft. I attended TIPTOP, Taking IP To Other Planets. It was not credible, ideas based on zero actual experience or even solid emulation.
Then the LSVR meeting, the main reason I came to the meeting, There was a bunch of confused talk about the IEEE liaison statement. Then I did my L3DL presentation with an accent on layer 3 and routing. It drove the nail half way home; but we expected the IEEE would be stubborn. I dashed out at 17:45 so I could change before meeting for dinner.
At 18:00, Bill Fenner, Matthias, Thomas, and I took a 40 minute taxi ride to Small Dinner Club in the center of the old part of Bangkok. The place was counter seating for maybe twelve in modernist black. The meal was many courses of deconstructed Thai food, but nothing one would recognize as Thai food. It was quite an adventure, delicious, and well presented. We had fun and a great meal. We made it back to the hotel by ten o’clock, and I was asleep by eleven.
Friday 2025.03.21
I woke at seven, dressed, and had breakfast. At nine, I went to the NOC’s explanation of the IPv6-mostly network experiment and then the 6man WG. I hung in the IETF Reception area for a bit, and had a make up talk with Stephanie with whom I had been estranged since the 2019 Prag meeting. I then went to SSHM, SSH Maintenance, where they were reviewing the Terrapin Attack and future mitigations and changes to the protocol. Then reinventing certificates, with no ASN.1 X.509.
I had tom ka gai and satay at the break. Bangkok IETFs raise a high bar for break food, as I pointed out to Jordi for Madrid. Then I wandered into IDR. IDR ended early at four o’clock. I went up to my room to leave my laptop and try and get a bit refreshed.
I had a mediocre Chinese dinner with Kanchana, Pensri, Nan, Padama, and crew.


At 19:45 I went up to my room and napped. I woke at ten, showered, dressed, packed, and checked out in the lobby at 22:45. At eleven o’clock I was in a Grab heading for the airport, well trying to head for the airport. The traffic in Sukomvit was more insane than usual; Friday night. It rook over 15 minutes just to get out of Sukomvit 22. At 23:35 we finally hit the freeway. The driver was watching videos on his phone at 120kph. We finally arrived at 23:55.
I was through check-in, security, and passport control by 23:15 but the long walk to the lounge took until 23:30.
Saturday 2025.03.22
I Left the lounge at 01:10, and was on board by 01:20. Hong Kong Air 780 was an AirBus 330 in grey and red livery. Mark Kosters turned out to be two seats in front of me. We pushed back exactly on time at two o’clock, and I slept until we were approaching Hong Kong. We landed at 05:40, and were at the gate 05:55. I caught the train to the right Hong Kong airport sub-city, and went through passport control and security. I could not find the United Lounge. This was because it was closed. I walked back to the core of the concourse, went into the Sapphire Lounge to ask directions and they said come on in and so I did. I had a bit to eat and then found a back corner. It was pretty empty with comfortable chairs and it had a power with an American plug. I cleaned up email etc.; but what I really wanted was to be in the airplane seat and asleep.
I left the lounge at 8:30 and did the long walk down to gate 28. Boarding looked chaotic, but I think they were just making many separate queues. I got the express line and was in my seat by 8:45. But then there was chaos because one of the seats wasn’t working and the person to whom it was assigned was not happy about that. But they eventually sorted it somehow.
United flight 862 was a 777 DreamLiner in pretty good shape. The captain was a woman; first time I have seen a woman in the left seat on a 777. Yay! We pushed back exactly at 9:30 and wheels up was at 9:50. I went to sleep, but then woke up to watch Oppenheimer and have a fish dinner. Then I went back to sleep. I woke for the landing meal, which was kind of shrimp and grits. It was actually pretty good.
We landed in San Francisco 06:15. As it was San Francisco, of course our gate was not ready. And then we got the worst possible gate, all the way at the end of the G Concourse. The Global Entry line was easy. I exited International and walked to the Global Services entry to go through TSA pre and was in the lounge by seven o’clock. I had some scrambled eggs and a black eye, cleaned up email, chatted with Katen, Hans, and Rob, etc. A four hour layover after a trans-pac flight is tiring and disorienting.
At 09:50 I left the lounge and headed to the gate. Boarding was delayed five minutes, but I made it to my seat and settled in. United flight 2115 was a Boeing 737 max and completely full. They were begging people to gate check luggage. We pushed at 10:35. I slept the whole way. We landed at 12;10 but had a ten minute delay deboarding due to a (not serious looking) medical evacuation. Then the ridiculous 15 minute walk to the Lyft pick-up. I was in the Lyft at 12:40 and was home by 13:15. Kaiby? and I took a nap.